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04/12/2007 01:30 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 185 MUNICIPAL ROAD SERVICE AREAS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 185(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
* HJR 18 OPPOSE FED AVIATION FUEL TAX INCREASE
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 12, 2007                                                                                         
                           1:34 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Chair Kyle Johanson                                                                                                             
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 185                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to certain municipal service areas that provide                                                                
road services."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 185(CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 18                                                                                                   
Opposing the enactment of the provisions in the Next Generation                                                                 
Transportation System Financing Reform Act of 2007 that increase                                                                
aviation fuel and aviation gas taxes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 185                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MUNICIPAL ROAD SERVICE AREAS                                                                                       
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) COGHILL                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
03/12/07       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/12/07       (H)       CRA, TRA                                                                                               
03/22/07       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/22/07       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/22/07       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/27/07       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/27/07       (H)       Moved CSHB 185(CRA) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/27/07       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/28/07       (H)       CRA RPT CS(CRA) 2DP 4NR                                                                                
03/28/07       (H)       DP: DAHLSTROM, FAIRCLOUGH                                                                              
03/28/07       (H)       NR: NEUMAN, OLSON, SALMON, LEDOUX                                                                      
04/12/07       (H)       TRA AT 1:30 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 18                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: OPPOSE FED AVIATION FUEL TAX INCREASE                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOHANSEN                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
04/05/07       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/05/07       (H)       TRA                                                                                                    
04/12/07       (H)       TRA AT 1:30 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CAROL BEECHER, Intern                                                                                                           
to Representative John Coghill                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 185 on behalf of the sponsor,                                                               
Representative Coghill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CATHY WASSERMAN                                                                                                                 
Alaska Municipal League (AML)                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 185.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
RENE BROKER, Borough Attorney                                                                                                   
Fairbanks North Star Borough (FNSB)                                                                                             
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 185.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TAMMIE WILSON                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed concerns with HB 185.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
STUART DAVIES                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Encouraged the committee to vote in favor                                                                
of HB 185 and pass it this year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS, Member                                                                                                            
Fairbanks North Star Borough Assembly                                                                                           
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Stated his support for HB 185.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RANDY FRANK, Member                                                                                                             
Fairbanks North Star Borough Assembly;                                                                                          
Chair, Road Service Area Committee                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 185.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ED MAHONEY, Chair                                                                                                               
Service District 1                                                                                                              
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During hearing of HB 185, testified that                                                                 
everyone within a road service area should pay the taxes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
LORI DAVEY                                                                                                                      
South Golden View Rural Road Service Area                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 185.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA WILSON                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 185.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SONIA CHRISTENSON, Staff                                                                                                        
to Representative Johansen                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HJR 18.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WILFRED RYAN, President                                                                                                         
Alaska Air Carriers Association (AACA);                                                                                         
President, Arctic Transportation Services                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to the concept of                                                                
the Next Gen, especially in regard to expanded user fees.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ANDY CEBULA, Executive Vice President                                                                                           
Government Affairs                                                                                                              
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA)                                                                                   
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified that AOPA believes the passage of                                                              
HJR 18 is important.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEE HANSON, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Alaska Airmen's Association                                                                                                     
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified that HJR 18 is important to                                                                    
general aviation and Alaskans.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
TOM GEORGE, Alaska Representative                                                                                               
for the Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    During   hearing  of  HJR  18,  expressed                                                             
concerns with the federal legislation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KYLE JOHANSEN  called  the  House Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order at  1:34:18  PM.    Representatives                                                             
Johansen,  Doogan, Kohring,  and Fairclough  were present  at the                                                               
call to order.  Representative  Neuman arrived as the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB 185-MUNICIPAL ROAD SERVICE AREAS                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:34:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 185,  "An Act  relating to  certain municipal                                                               
service  areas   that  provide  road  services."     [Before  the                                                               
committee is CSHB 185(CRA)].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:34:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROL  BEECHER, Intern  to  Representative  John Coghill,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, provided the following testimony:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The bill,  HB 185,  ... deals  with alteration  of road                                                                    
     service  area boundaries  to ensure  taxpayer fairness.                                                                    
     Under  existing law,  the borough  lacks any  effective                                                                    
     means to  alter existing road service  area boundaries,                                                                    
     even  when  necessary   to  ensure  taxpayer  fairness.                                                                    
     Because only  those properties within the  service area                                                                    
     boundaries can  be required to  contribute to  the cost                                                                    
     of  the  service  area.   The  borough's  inability  to                                                                    
     adjust boundaries creates  two taxpayer fairness issues                                                                    
     that  the  proposed  legislation attempts  to  resolve.                                                                    
     Currently,  resolution of  both  problems depends  upon                                                                    
     taxpayers'  willingness  to   vote  against  their  own                                                                    
     financial interest.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Presently, state  law permits borough  residents living                                                                    
     outside a  road service area  to use road  service area                                                                    
     roads  for  their  sole  or  legally  required  access.                                                                    
     These  residents  derive  a  direct  benefit  equal  to                                                                    
     residents within the service  area, yet they can refuse                                                                    
     to   contribute  to   the  cost   of  construction   or                                                                    
     maintenance  of   these  roads   by  voting   down  any                                                                    
     annexation  attempt.     This  problem  usually  arises                                                                    
     because of  subsequent development near a  service area                                                                    
     which utilizes existing service  area roads for access.                                                                    
     While  the  borough  demands, through  its  subdivision                                                                    
     laws,   that  the   owner,   subdividers,  consent   to                                                                    
     annexation  into  the  service  area  as  part  of  the                                                                    
     subdivision  application, state  law still  requires an                                                                    
     election if  anyone resides in the  area, including the                                                                    
     subdivider.   These annexation votes typically  fail as                                                                    
     individuals are  reluctant to join a  service area when                                                                    
     they can  instead use these maintained  roads for free.                                                                    
     The  proposed  change  to  state  law  would  fix  this                                                                    
     problem by  allowing a service  area to  annex property                                                                    
     that uses its roads for  their sole or legally required                                                                    
     access without  a separate vote  of the property  to be                                                                    
     annexed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  second  problem is  the  direct  opposite.   Here,                                                                    
     people find  themselves, either because of  the way the                                                                    
     original  boundaries were  drawn or  due to  subsequent                                                                    
     road development, paying into  a road service area even                                                                    
     though they do  not utilize the service  area roads for                                                                    
     access on  to their property.   Service areas, however,                                                                    
     are  often reluctant  to vote  to remove  property from                                                                    
     the service area because  that effectively raises taxes                                                                    
     on the remaining property owners.   The proposed change                                                                    
     to state  law would  fix this  problem by  allowing the                                                                    
     assembly  to   exercise  its  judgment  to   alter,  by                                                                    
     ordinance, the  service area  boundary to  exclude that                                                                    
     property  or properties  that do  not use  service area                                                                    
     roads.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING related his understanding that if there                                                                  
were to be an annex, the monies collected from taxes would go                                                                   
directly to the road used.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEECHER clarified that [a taxpayer] who lives in the borough                                                                
would continue to pay his/her property taxes.  The portion taken                                                                
for the road service area would be taken out for that purpose.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING said that he wants to be sure that a                                                                     
resident who is forcibly annexed has his/her taxes resulting                                                                    
from  the annexation  go  directly  to the  roads  being used  to                                                               
access the property.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEECHER indicated her agreement.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:38:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH,  drawing   upon  her  knowledge  from                                                               
representing  a  district with  road  service  areas, shared  her                                                               
understanding that  road service areas only  function to maintain                                                               
the roads in that service area.   She mentioned that there may be                                                               
an administrative  charge, through  local government,  if someone                                                               
else is managing the road service area's money.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CATHY  WASSERMAN, Alaska  Municipal League  (AML), related  AML's                                                               
support for HB 185.  She  informed the committee that in the last                                                               
year AML's membership  has discussed this issue  and has included                                                               
the following statement in its FY 2007 Policy Statement:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The  League  supports  legislative changes  that  would                                                                    
     enable   local  government   to   regain  control   and                                                                    
     management  of its  service areas.   By  regaining this                                                                    
     authority,  local governments  can ensure  that service                                                                    
     areas  are  established,  operated, and  altered  in  a                                                                    
     manner  consistent with  the constitutional  purpose of                                                                    
     service areas and the overall public good.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     As the law  now reads, boroughs have no  way to address                                                                    
     the needs  of service area residents  when the solution                                                                    
     might  [result   in  the]  alteration   of  boundaries.                                                                    
     Especially in situations  of taxpayer fairness, borough                                                                    
     hands  are tied.   If  residents of  a newly  developed                                                                    
     area  must use  service area  roads for  their only  or                                                                    
     legally  required  access  and they  live  outside  the                                                                    
     service  area, the  boroughs  only  option for  solving                                                                    
     this issue is to hope  like heck that these people will                                                                    
     positively jump at the chance  to increase their taxes.                                                                    
     To date, that has not been a popular stance.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill  would allow  for  annexation  of the  newly                                                                    
     developed  property  without  a separate  vote  of  the                                                                    
     property  to  be annexed.    Another  problem that  has                                                                    
     arisen due  to boroughs lacking the  authority to alter                                                                    
     their own service areas is that  if a road is no longer                                                                    
     used by  residents of the  service area, either  due to                                                                    
     new roads, changes of population  patter, and so forth,                                                                    
     they  will still  be  required to  pay  into that  road                                                                    
     service area.   However,  again, the current  law would                                                                    
     require a  vote by service area  residents to willingly                                                                    
     raise  taxes  on  the remaining  residents.    If  that                                                                    
     particular unused  road area was removed,  HB 185 would                                                                    
     allow   borough  assemblies   to  exercise   their  own                                                                    
     judgment   to   alter   service  area   boundaries   in                                                                    
     situations  where property  should be  excluded due  to                                                                    
     lack of use.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Again, our  position is  that local  governments should                                                                    
     be allowed  to control and manage  service areas within                                                                    
     their borough  boundaries, and to  that end  we support                                                                    
     House Bill 185.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RENE  BROKER,  Borough  Attorney, Fairbanks  North  Star  Borough                                                               
(FNSB), related  that FNSB is  in support  of HB 185,  which both                                                               
the FSNB's  road service committee and  assembly have unanimously                                                               
supported.   She  explained that  the  aforementioned support  is                                                               
achieved because HB 185 allows  boroughs to address inequities in                                                               
the  system and  restore some  basic fairness  principles to  the                                                               
service area taxation  system.  After all, the  borough's name is                                                               
on  the tax  bill received  by the  taxpayers, and  therefore the                                                               
borough has  an interest in  ensuring that  the tax bill  is fair                                                               
and equitable.   This legislation  provides boroughs a  manner in                                                               
which  they can  ensure that  the tax  burden resulting  from the                                                               
cost  of a  service provided  by a  road service  area is  fairly                                                               
borne by all  property owners using the roads  constructed by the                                                               
road  service  area for  their  sole  or  legal access  to  their                                                               
property.  However, the legislation  still preserves the right of                                                               
the service  area to vote on  whether it wants property  added to                                                               
its service area.   Therefore, it's ultimately  still the service                                                               
area's call, through  a vote, to determine  whether the increased                                                               
revenue is worth the increased  obligation or potential problems.                                                               
Ms.  Broker  emphasized  that   this  legislation  doesn't  force                                                               
property on service areas.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMIE WILSON  informed the committee  that last October  she was                                                               
involved  in a  vote  for  a road  service  area.   Although  her                                                               
section of the road wouldn't  be maintained, she would still have                                                               
to pay the same amount of  taxes and maintain the private section                                                               
of  the road  because the  access to  her road  would be  via the                                                               
public road service area.   She expressed concern that if there's                                                               
another vote,  the boundary  lines could be  drawn such  that she                                                               
would be  excluded so that  the vote could  pass and then  use HB
185 to annex her road.   She related that when she approached the                                                               
borough to  determine what  would happen,  she received  a letter                                                               
specifying that since she has  a private road, that road couldn't                                                               
be  annexed because  it wouldn't  be maintained.   However,  this                                                               
legislation  doesn't  specify what  a  public  road is  versus  a                                                               
private road.   Additionally, she  expressed concern  with regard                                                               
to fairness.   She explained  that currently residents  pay taxes                                                               
in a road service  area based on property taxes.   In order to be                                                               
fair, everyone would pay the  same amount, no matter the property                                                               
value.   Ms. Wilson emphasized  that her largest concern  is that                                                               
the legislation removes the right to vote.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:46:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked whether  Ms. Wilson's family pays                                                               
road taxes into a service area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON replied  no, adding that everyone  contributes and the                                                               
[family]   clears   the   roads.     In   further   response   to                                                               
Representative Fairclough,  Ms. Wilson confirmed that  she drives                                                               
on other  roads besides  her driveway and  for which  she doesn't                                                               
pay.   She explained that currently  no one pays for  those roads                                                               
because that  road service area  was voted  down last year.   She                                                               
mentioned  that the  road service  area will  likely be  voted on                                                               
again this next October.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH stated  that one of the  issues is that                                                               
service areas  only pay for  roads inside the service  area while                                                               
commuters  travel  on   a  road  network  to   which  they  don't                                                               
contribute.     Although  Representative  Fairclough   noted  her                                                               
agreement with  Ms. Wilson's thought process  regarding fairness,                                                               
she  said it's  difficult to  assess  all the  traffic and  which                                                               
roads  an  individual  uses  in order  to  determine  a  specific                                                               
charge.  She  related that in the district  she represents, there                                                               
is  a dual  charge  in  which constituents  are  charged, at  the                                                               
borough level, for all the  roads outside their driveways and for                                                               
maintenance   of    the   roads   inside   the    service   area.                                                               
Representative  Fairclough  highlighted,  "The  issue  is  a  bit                                                               
larger than  just individual  driveways in  that there  are other                                                               
roads that are  maintained throughout the system  and the network                                                               
that people drive on."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON informed  the committee  that she  was told  that she                                                               
would be  exempt because  her driveway came  to the  private road                                                               
where  it  would then  meet  the  public  accessible road.    The                                                               
aforementioned  calls into  question whether  only that  property                                                               
connecting  to a  road  service area  can be  annexed  or can  an                                                               
entire section of property be connected, she pointed out.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:48:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STUART DAVIES began  by informing the committee  that although he                                                               
is a  member of  the 23-mile  service area, he  is speaking  as a                                                               
concerned  citizen.    He  related  his  understanding  that  the                                                               
language  change  proposed in  HB  185  would only  impact  those                                                               
residents of  a subdivision who  can't access their  property any                                                               
other way than traveling through a road service area.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN relayed  that the sponsor of HB 185  is nodding in                                                               
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIES surmised then that  HB 185 isn't annexing any property                                                               
owners, which he said he understood to be a separate process.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH noted her disagreement.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIES  explained that  he  lives  within the  23-mile  road                                                               
service  area.   He estimated  that at  least 14  parcels use  90                                                               
percent of the  service area roads as their only  access to their                                                               
property.   Those  individuals aren't  currently included  in the                                                               
23-mile road service area.   He related his understanding that in                                                               
order to become part of the  road service area, both the taxpayer                                                               
and the service  area taxpayers have to vote  in the affirmative.                                                               
This legislation, he opined, amends  the language such that those                                                               
outside  of the  road service  area wouldn't  have an  ability to                                                               
vote.  Mr.  Davies characterized HB 185 as a  way of streamlining                                                               
the annexation  process, but doesn't mean  that those individuals                                                               
living on parcels within a  road service area would automatically                                                               
be annexed.   In conclusion, Mr. Davies  encouraged the committee                                                               
to vote in favor of HB 185 and pass it this year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LUKE  HOPKINS, Member,  Fairbanks  North  Star Borough  Assembly,                                                               
related his support for  passage of HB 185.  He  noted that he is                                                               
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:52:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  FRANK,  Member,  Fairbanks North  Star  Borough  Assembly;                                                               
Chair, Road  Service Area Committee,  stressed that the  idea for                                                               
this bill  originated from some  road service  area commissioners                                                               
who saw a problem  and wanted to fix it.  He went  on to say that                                                               
if HB  185 passes, the assembly  will still have to  go through a                                                               
public process  for an annexation  or for a property  to withdraw                                                               
from a service area.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED  MAHONEY,  Chair,  Service District  1,  related  that  within                                                               
Service District  1 there are state-maintained  roads and borough                                                               
ordinance  specifies  that  those  properties  using  the  state-                                                               
maintained roads are exempt from  paying the taxes to the service                                                               
area.  Mr. Mahoney opined  that everyone within [the road service                                                               
area] should  pay the taxes  otherwise it places an  undue burden                                                               
on those that  do pay the taxes.  He  characterized paragraph (4)                                                               
on  page  2, which  allows  the  exclusion  of  a parcel,  as  an                                                               
inequity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:56:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORI DAVEY, South Golden View  Rural Road Service Area, explained                                                               
that  the  South Golden  View  area  in  Anchorage has  been  the                                                               
recipient of  much growth over  the last  seven years.   In fact,                                                               
the area has  accommodated over 50 percent of the  growth for the                                                               
Hillside  area in  Anchorage.    The growth  has  resulted in  an                                                               
additional  burden   on  the   roads  since   many  of   the  new                                                               
developments aren't  annexing into  the rural road  service area,                                                               
although  they  predominantly use  the  rural  road service  area                                                               
roads to access their property.   Furthermore, the roads face the                                                               
devastation  created  by the  equipment  used  to build  the  new                                                               
housing.  The  road service area bears the  burden of maintaining                                                               
the  roads, she  pointed out.   In  the last  several years,  the                                                               
limited  road service  area  hasn't  been able  to  keep up  with                                                               
maintenance and thus it has changed  to a rural road service area                                                               
in  order to  obtain  the ability  to improve  the  roads.   This                                                               
legislation would help  correct the inequities that  the area has                                                               
experienced  with the  unmaintained  roads  and new  developments                                                               
that  are paying  for  the roads  or the  service  area that  the                                                               
residents  are  using.   Ms.  Davey  noted  that  it may  not  be                                                               
financially  feasible  to  bring  in  all  the  additional  roads                                                               
outside  of  the service  area  because  they  would have  to  be                                                               
brought  to  a  standard  in  which  they  could  be  maintained.                                                               
Therefore, the road  service area may choose to  maintain some of                                                               
the  roads, although  it  may  not choose  to  annex those  roads                                                               
because of the associated expense.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA WILSON began by informing  the committee that although she                                                               
is an intern for Representative  Carl Gatto, she is testifying on                                                               
her own behalf  today.  Ms. Wilson testified in  opposition to HB
185.  In regard to fairness,  she reminded the committee that the                                                               
[taxes  in a  road  service  area] are  based  on the  resident's                                                               
assessed  property value.   She  pointed out  that an  individual                                                               
with  the highest  assessed value  home  in a  road service  area                                                               
could have only  one vehicle while an individual  with the lowest                                                               
assessed property value might have  multiple vehicles.  In such a                                                               
scenario,  the  individual  with the  highest  assessed  property                                                               
value and one vehicle is  paying more whereas the individual with                                                               
the  lowest  assessed property  value  and  multiple vehicles  is                                                               
paying less.   She shared  her belief that the  aforementioned is                                                               
unfair.  She questioned what would  occur in a situation in which                                                               
a  subdivision is  constructed in  front of  an established  road                                                               
service area and the road service  area residents have to use the                                                               
subdivision's  roads  to  access  their  property.    In  such  a                                                               
situation it doesn't  seem fair that the  subdivision could force                                                               
the road service  area into the subdivision's  road service area,                                                               
she opined.   Ms.  Wilson then  pointed out  that HB  185 doesn't                                                               
address  a situation  in  which there  are  two established  road                                                               
service areas.  Therefore, one  established road service area may                                                               
use the  road service area  roads of  another and not  be charged                                                               
for that.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:00:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair  JOHANSEN,  upon determining  there  was  no one  else  who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH informed  the committee  that she  has                                                               
contacted  the Municipality  of Anchorage  and the  presidents of                                                               
local road service  areas from whom she  received general support                                                               
for HB  185.  She  then inquired as to  why paragraph (4)  of the                                                               
legislation is important.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEECHER  explained that paragraph  (4) addresses  a situation                                                               
in which there is a parcel  for a subdivision that is attached to                                                               
a road service  area that isn't using that road  service area for                                                               
its  legally required  access  to that  parcel.   That  provision                                                               
would allow that subdivision to  petition the assembly to request                                                               
removal from  the road  service area so  that the  property owner                                                               
doesn't have  to pay for  service that  he/she isn't using.   Ms.                                                               
Beecher  specified that  the provision  is included  so that  the                                                               
property  owner doesn't  have to  obtain  a vote  from the  other                                                               
subdivision because they don't want  to relinquish the properties                                                               
that are paying into the road  service area, even if the property                                                               
owners aren't  using those roads.   She directed  the committee's                                                               
attention to the map labeled  "Cordes Drive Road Service Area" as                                                               
an example.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH commented that she  is in support of HB
185.   She said,  "As local governments  try to  have development                                                               
encroach  on   those  who  have   been  long-time   residents  of                                                               
communities,  it  is  extremely  difficult  to  provide  adequate                                                               
safety access  and payment  for that access  in a  roadway system                                                               
that  does  not  allow  some  judicious  consideration  by  local                                                               
authorities."    She acknowledged  that  it's  painful for  those                                                               
property  owners  who   don't  want  to  be   annexed,  and  this                                                               
legislation  provides   due  process  for  that   annexation  and                                                               
inability to vote  since the grievance can be taken  to the local                                                               
governing body.  However, she  pointed out that in some instances                                                               
there  is   an  over-arching  need   for  a  community   to  make                                                               
modifications to service areas.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  related that  he spoke  with folks  in the                                                               
Mat-Su Valley about this legislation,  and they expressed concern                                                               
in  regard to  paragraph (4)  on page  2.   The concern  was that                                                               
although one may not use the  [road service area roads] to access                                                               
his/her  property,  the roads  are  used  to travel  through  the                                                               
community.   However,  he opined  that both  sides of  the matter                                                               
have been considered in the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  moved  to  report CSHB  185(CRA)  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSHB  185(CRA)  was                                                               
reported from the House Transportation Standing Committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:07 PM to 2:09 PM.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HJR 18-OPPOSE FED AVIATION FUEL TAX INCREASE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE JOINT  RESOLUTION NO. 18, Opposing the  enactment of the                                                               
provisions   in  the   Next   Generation  Transportation   System                                                               
Financing  Reform Act  of 2007  that increase  aviation fuel  and                                                               
aviation gas taxes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  made a motion  to adopt CSHJR  18, Version                                                               
25-LS0830\C,  Kane,  4/10/07, as  the  working  document.   There                                                               
being no objection, Version C was before the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:09:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SONIA  CHRISTENSON,  Staff  to  Representative  Johansen,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, provided the following testimony:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     HJR 18  is a resolution  opposing the enactment  of the                                                                    
     provisions in  [Federal Aviation  Administration] FAA's                                                                    
     Next  Generation  Air Transportation  System  Financing                                                                    
     Reform Act of 2007 [Next  Gen] that imposes air traffic                                                                    
     control  user  fees  and increases  aviation  fuel  and                                                                    
     aviation gas taxes.   ...  As you all  know, because of                                                                    
     Alaska's  unique  geography  and limited  road  access,                                                                    
     Alaska depends heavily  on aviation for transportation,                                                                    
     medical  needs,  mail   distribution,  recreation,  and                                                                    
     supplies  and  goods.     With  the aviation  fuel  and                                                                    
     aviation gas tax increase,  FAA's legislation, ... also                                                                    
     called  "Next   Gen,"  will   make  flying   much  more                                                                    
     expensive  for  Alaskans  and  increase  the  price  of                                                                    
     shipping   goods   and   supplies.     With   the   FAA                                                                    
     legislation,  air   traffic  control  user   fees  will                                                                    
     decrease  the  Congressional  role in  determining  FAA                                                                    
     spending.   This gives  more power to  the FAA  to make                                                                    
     decisions   for   all   airports,   not   taking   into                                                                    
     consideration Alaska's special  needs, and favoring the                                                                    
     needs of larger airline hubs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:11:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  asked whether  there has been  any contact                                                               
with Alaska's Congressional delegation on this matter.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHRISTENSON replied  no, although she said that  she has read                                                               
that Alaska's Congressional delegation has yet to comment on it.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN inquired  as to the economic  impact of the                                                               
Next  Gen legislation  on Alaska.   He  noted that  although this                                                               
would impact  a large  number of small  airplanes, it  would also                                                               
impact the Ted Stevens International Airport.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHRISTENSON indicated that she could research that.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN  announced that he  doesn't intend to move  HJR 18                                                               
at this time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:13:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILFRED RYAN, President, Alaska  Air Carriers Association (AACA);                                                               
President,  Arctic Transportation  Services,  explained that  the                                                               
Alaska  Air  Carriers  Association  represents  a  diverse  group                                                               
ranging  from   single  pilot  operators  to   [Federal  Aviation                                                               
Regulations] FAR-Part  121 regional  and national carriers.   The                                                               
AACA  objects to  the  concept  of the  Next  Gen, especially  in                                                               
regard to expanded  user fees.  He highlighted  that the industry                                                               
already  pays skill  taxes, passenger  ticket taxes,  and freight                                                               
taxes.   Mr. Ryan informed the  committee that the Next  Gen also                                                               
eliminates  the  current passenger  ticket  and  freight tax  and                                                               
implements a  fee associated with  the use of the  Federal Airway                                                               
System  and communications  network.   Additionally, part  of the                                                               
federal  proposal removes  Congressional  oversight  of the  FAA.                                                               
Mr. Ryan  then related that the  AACA objects to any  change that                                                               
grants the  FAA independence  from Congress.   He  suggested that                                                               
the resolution should  be amended to reflect the  position of the                                                               
Alaska Air Carriers Association,  consistent with the opinions of                                                               
its  membership.   The  aforementioned  requires  more time,  and                                                               
therefore he recommended that the  resolution remain in committee                                                               
until the AACA  fully develops amendments to  the resolution that                                                               
appropriately address the issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:15:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  asked  if  there is  a  deadline  for                                                               
responding to the federal legislation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN  related his understanding  that [AACA] has  through the                                                               
end of  this month, and perhaps  into May, to draft  positions on                                                               
the federal legislation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  highlighted  that  the  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature  should  have  completed  its  session  by  mid  May.                                                               
Therefore,  if the  resolution is  held in  committee, the  state                                                               
won't be able to comment on  the matter.  She related her concern                                                               
with regard  to the Next  Gen, but  expressed her hope  that AACA                                                               
could forward its objections within  the next two weeks otherwise                                                               
the  state will  forego  its opportunity,  as  a legislature,  to                                                               
comment  to Congress.   She  suggested that  perhaps if  AACA has                                                               
further objections,  those could  be addressed as  the resolution                                                               
moves through  the process.   She then  asked if AACA  objects to                                                               
anything in the current version of HJR 18.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN  related his understanding  that Congress is  willing to                                                               
move forward  on the  Next Gen on  May 10th.   He then  noted his                                                               
agreement that  HJR 18 needs  to move quickly through  the House.                                                               
He  said that  it  would take  no  more than  a  week to  suggest                                                               
amendments  to HJR  18.   Mr. Ryan  clarified that  the committee                                                               
needs to  understand that while  the user fee impacts  the single                                                               
pilot  and the  small 135  operators, it  benefits the  large 121                                                               
regional  national  carriers.   He  related  that AACA  would  be                                                               
comfortable moving HJR 18 forward with a few amendments.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH said  that she  didn't oppose  waiting                                                               
one  week.    She  then  requested  clarification  regarding  the                                                               
initial concern with moving HJR 18 forward.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN  explained that the  original HJR 18 only  addressed the                                                               
fuel tax  user fees.   While AACA is  opposed to the  increase on                                                               
fuel tax  fees, it must  take care that AACA's  entire membership                                                               
benefits.    Therefore, AACA  is  attempting  to find  a  balance                                                               
between  the new  taxes  imposed on  single  pilot operators  and                                                               
small  on-demand charter  organizations along  with the  benefits                                                               
created for  some of the  larger main  line operators.   The AACA                                                               
would like  to add language  to address the fees  associated with                                                               
the  air   traffic  control  system  to   which  AACA  disagrees.                                                               
Furthermore,  AACA objects  to the  elimination of  Congressional                                                               
oversight of the FAA.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  requested  that  further  information                                                               
regarding how the higher level  companies will benefit be emailed                                                               
to her.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN explained  that passengers pay a 7.5  percent excise tax                                                               
on every  ticket purchased.   The regional and  national carriers                                                               
operate long-haul  routes with high-cost  tickets.   For example,                                                               
7.5  percent on  a  $1,000  roundtrip ticket  amounts  to $75  in                                                               
excise tax.   The proposed fuel tax reduction  for those carriers                                                               
benefits  the  large  carriers tremendously.    Currently,  small                                                               
operators  and 135  on-demand tour  operators don't  pay any  tax                                                               
associated with the carriage of  passengers, and thus they face a                                                               
quadruple  increase.   Therefore, AACA  is attempting  to find  a                                                               
balance between the two groups.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN inquired  as to the meaning of  121 and 135                                                               
carriers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN  explained that 135  carriers operate with  airplanes of                                                               
less  than 10  passenger seats  while 121  carriers operate  with                                                               
more than 10 passengers seats.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:22:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY  CEBULA,  Executive   Vice  President,  Government  Affairs,                                                               
Aircraft  Owners   and  Pilots   Association  (AOPA),   began  by                                                               
informing  the  committee that  the  Aircraft  Owners and  Pilots                                                               
Association  represent  more  than   411,000  pilots  across  the                                                               
country  and  over  4,200  pilots  in the  State  of  Alaska  are                                                               
members.    Mr.  Cebula  highlighted   concerns  with  Next  Gen,                                                               
including the tax increase, the  imposition of user fees, and the                                                               
loss of  Congressional control and  oversight of the FAA.   There                                                               
are also  cuts in federal investment  in airports.  In  regard to                                                               
the tax  increase, he explained  that the initial  increase would                                                               
be $.50 per gallon and could  increase further.  He then informed                                                               
the committee that  on average over the last two  years the price                                                               
of  aviation   gasoline  has  increased   by  $.68   per  gallon.                                                               
Therefore, this proposed  tax would add an additional  $.50.  Mr.                                                               
Cebula noted that there is already  a drop in aviation fuel sales                                                               
as  a  result of  the  price  increase.   In  fact,  the sale  of                                                               
aviation  gasoline  reached a  five-year  low  last year.    More                                                               
importantly, 80 percent  of the members of AOPA  have stated they                                                               
will reduce their flying if this tax is implemented.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CEBULA then turned to the  user fees.  Although currently the                                                               
user  fees  aren't a  well-defined  proposal,  the FAA  wants  to                                                               
target large  and small commercial  operators with fees  on their                                                               
use of  the air traffic  control system,  he explained.   In some                                                               
areas, primarily  around large cities, general  aviation would be                                                               
affected.  At  this point, there is no city  in Alaska that would                                                               
be  impacted   for  general   aviation  flights,   although  many                                                               
commercial operators would  be impacted.  Mr.  Cebula related, as                                                               
has been observed in other  countries, once a federal bureaucracy                                                               
has the authority  to impose user fees, it will  only expand that                                                               
authority.   Therefore, he fully  expected that the  fees charged                                                               
will  be increased  as well  as the  scope of  what they  will be                                                               
charging for  the fees.   The federal  legislation gives  the FAA                                                               
the ability  to unilaterally raise fees.   The only appeal  is to                                                               
the  U.S. Department  of Transportation,  which  results in  very                                                               
little oversight, he stated.  Mr.  Cebula opined that it's not in                                                               
the state's best interest for  aviation and the community to have                                                               
bureaucrats  in Washington,  D.C., making  decisions without  the                                                               
oversight to ensure the state's needs  are met.  In regard to the                                                               
airport  spending  side,  the  desire   is  to  cut  the  overall                                                               
investment in airports by $1  billion, which would eliminate some                                                               
of the  entitlements for  the smallest airports  in Alaska.   The                                                               
aforementioned  would also  reduce the  rate of  the entitlements                                                               
for  other general  aviation airports  in the  state.   He opined                                                               
that the  FAA doesn't  need to do  the aforementioned.   Although                                                               
[the U.S.]  needs to  modernize its  air traffic  control system,                                                               
Congress's own  General Accountability Office and  the Department                                                               
of  Transportation  Inspector  General  have all  said  that  the                                                               
existing taxing  mechanism can be used  to finance modernization,                                                               
airports, and the operation of the FAA.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:27:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CEBULA  related that AOPA believes  the passage of HJR  18 is                                                               
important.    It's  important  because   in  Alaska  the  federal                                                               
legislation   would   cause  an   increase   in   the  cost   for                                                               
transportation  and  would  lessen   the  attention  on  the  air                                                               
transportation  needs   for  Alaska.     Therefore,   Mr.  Cebula                                                               
requested   that   the    legislature   join   general   aviation                                                               
organizations like  AOPA, Alaska Airmen's, local  communities who                                                               
have formed  national aviation alliances, etcetera  to oppose the                                                               
FAA legislation.   Mr. Cebula then related to  the committee that                                                               
in a letter to one  of Alaska's AOPA members, U.S. Representative                                                               
Don  Young  said  that  he  doesn't  endorse  the  proposed  plan                                                               
submitted to Congress.   In conclusion, Mr.  Cebula requested the                                                               
committee's action on HJR 18.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CEBULA, in response to  Representative Neuman, confirmed that                                                               
the federal  legislation would cut  up to $1 billion  for airport                                                               
improvements.  In further response  to Representative Neuman, Mr.                                                               
Cebula opined that  the federal legislation will  place the small                                                               
rural airports  in competition for  a much smaller pot  of money.                                                               
Therefore, it will be more  difficult for small rural airports to                                                               
obtain the necessary financing.   However, he noted that airports                                                               
in Alaska are  treated differently than in the Lower  48 and thus                                                               
the effect in  Alaska won't be as significant due  to the work of                                                               
Alaska's Congressional  delegation to ensure the  unique needs of                                                               
the state are known.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:29:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEE  HANSON,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Airmen's  Association,                                                               
began by informing  the committee that she is  a third generation                                                               
Alaskan who flies a 1955 Super Cub once owned by her                                                                            
grandfather.  Ms. Hanson provided the following testimony:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     This resolution  is important  to general  aviation and                                                                    
     to Alaskans.   The Alaska Airmen's  Association mission                                                                    
     is  to promote  general aviation  in Alaska.   We  have                                                                    
     over  2,200 members  across the  state.   The  Airmen's                                                                    
     Association is  opposed to the FAA  refinancing act and                                                                    
     is  practically  concerned  about  the  impact  of  the                                                                    
     proposed  increase in  gas tax  in  Alaska for  general                                                                    
     aviation  aircraft.     As  you  know,   a  very  large                                                                    
     percentage  of   our  state   is  accessible   only  by                                                                    
     aircraft.   In  Alaska, the  airplane is  not a  luxury                                                                    
     item; it  is a tool.   Alaskans use airplanes as  if it                                                                    
     were a  vehicle or  a pickup  truck to  haul groceries,                                                                    
     building  supplies, fuel,  and  family  not to  mention                                                                    
     weekly  visits  to   our  remote  coastal  distribution                                                                    
     centers.     Alaskans  use   airplanes  to   travel  to                                                                    
     neighboring   communities  to   watch  rival   athletic                                                                    
     events.  We  rely on our airplanes  for recreation, and                                                                    
     hunting,  as well  as  business  applications, such  as                                                                    
     guiding,   flight  seeing,   game  surveys,   and  very                                                                    
     importantly,  search and  rescue.   The  price of  fuel                                                                    
     today  is already  a concern.   At  Lake Hood  Seaplane                                                                    
     Base,  the largest  seaplane base  in  the world,  fuel                                                                    
     costs are currently $4.67 per  gallon, which is up from                                                                    
     $2.95 two  years ago.   For those  of our  members that                                                                    
     rely on  their airplane  to commute  to and  from work,                                                                    
     this would  be a financial  hardship.  We  have members                                                                    
     that  live  remotely,   flying  their  private  general                                                                    
     aviation  aircraft   to  Anchorage  to  Big   Lake  and                                                                    
     Talkeetna.  Those  of us living in  remote villages who                                                                    
     depend solely on  aircraft will have no  choice at all.                                                                    
     Our urban  members are certainly looking  at whether to                                                                    
     fly or not.   With this increased fuel cost  you can be                                                                    
     assured  that people  will  be  flying their  aircrafts                                                                    
     less,  canceling the  perceived advantage  of increased                                                                    
     revenue from this bill tax.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The other  side of this  is that people who  are flying                                                                    
     less  are less  proficient  in  their piloting  skills.                                                                    
     Therefore,  this now  becomes a  very important  safety                                                                    
     issue.   There  will also  be an  impact on  businesses                                                                    
     that support aviation,  such as maintenance facilities,                                                                    
     avionics  shops,  part  suppliers, and  small  aviation                                                                    
     parts  manufacturers.   Many  of  these businesses  are                                                                    
     Alaskan owned and operated.   They are not large state-                                                                    
     side corporations.  In  conclusion, the Alaska Airmen's                                                                    
     Association  does not  support  the FAA  Transportation                                                                    
     Financing Reform  Act that increases aviation  fuel and                                                                    
     gas  taxes.   Adding  $.70  a gallon  to  the backs  of                                                                    
     general aviation pilots  with already historically high                                                                    
     fuel prices  is moving in  the wrong direction.   It is                                                                    
     our understanding  that the current tax  structure will                                                                    
     adequately support  the FAA  and we  want to  stay with                                                                    
     this system, which has been proven to work.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:33:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN questioned what impact this would have on                                                                 
the Civil Air Patrol and air rescue programs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. HANSON replied that any increase in fuel prices will have an                                                                
impact, as it will drive up costs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM GEORGE, Alaska Representative for the Aircraft Owners &                                                                     
Pilots Association, provided the following testimony:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Of course,  we already  know how important  aviation is                                                                    
     to   the  state.     We've   got  something   over  200                                                                    
     communities  that have  no road  access,  that rely  on                                                                    
     aviation as their  main year-round link to  the rest of                                                                    
     the world.  The user fees  is a fascinating ... and ...                                                                    
     complex challenge and it  affects different segments of                                                                    
     the aviation communities in different  ways.  One thing                                                                    
     that the FAA is looking  at in this bill is essentially                                                                    
     access  to  airspace.    The   plan  charges  air  taxi                                                                    
     operators  to  land  and  take  off  at  airports  with                                                                    
     control towers that exceed certain  capacities.  And in                                                                    
     Alaska that would be  Fairbanks, Anchorage, Juneau, and                                                                    
     Bethel.  So,  there'd actually be a charge  ... for the                                                                    
     services provided  going in and out  of those airports.                                                                    
     But we  think this is,  again, merely the  camel's nose                                                                    
     under the  tent because  we've seen in  other countries                                                                    
     where these  fees have expanded  as more  services have                                                                    
     been  included, such  as weather  briefings, touch-and-                                                                    
     gos,  flight  plans,  etcetera.    Of  course,  they're                                                                    
     calculated on  the historical traffic, but  if the fuel                                                                    
     prices  and taxes  go higher,  the  flying is  reduced.                                                                    
     Then those  user fee rates  will increase to  cover the                                                                    
     FAA's  cost.   In aviation  we call  that a  descending                                                                    
     spiral or a graveyard spiral.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The other  aspect ... is  aviation safety.   We already                                                                    
     have an  accident rate that's  higher than the  rest of                                                                    
     the  country.   And there's  been a  lot of  work, both                                                                    
     with  the   Alaska  aviation  community  and   the  FAA                                                                    
     capstone  program that's  made  significant gains  over                                                                    
     the past  five years with some  pioneering work they've                                                                    
     done  in Southwest  Alaska.   However, if  pilots start                                                                    
     avoiding   services,  such   as   access  to   weather,                                                                    
     instrument  approaches,  towered  airports  because  of                                                                    
     costs  associated  ...  with those  changes,  we  could                                                                    
     actually  see a  decline in  aviation safety  which, of                                                                    
     course, is the  very thing we're trying  to turn around                                                                    
     and go the other way with.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We've talked  about the  control of the  FAA.   Part of                                                                    
     this plan is to  establish an Air Transportation System                                                                    
     Advisory Board, which would have  the approval over the                                                                    
     user fee  system, and, as  has been  mentioned already,                                                                    
     removing Congress  more and more from  the oversight of                                                                    
     this.   And, of course,  in Alaska, ... the  impacts of                                                                    
     various FAA  mandates have really hit  Alaska hard over                                                                    
     the  years and  without our  Congressional delegation's                                                                    
     ability to get  the attention of the FAA for  us to get                                                                    
     fair and  equitable treatment,  it'd be  very difficult                                                                    
     to continue  to do  business.  So,  any move  away from                                                                    
     that,  we  think,  is  very bad  for  Alaska,  for  all                                                                    
     segments of the industry.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Finally,  on  the fuel  costs  I  can  add my  own  ...                                                                    
     personal  data point.   I  have a  small business  that                                                                    
     acquires vertical  aerial photography around  the state                                                                    
     and  last week  while working  on my  taxes, I  learned                                                                    
     that I'd  spent over  $8,000 on  [aviation] gas  in the                                                                    
     last year and an average price  of $4.88 a gallon.  And                                                                    
     that ranged  from a  low price  in Fairbanks,  which is                                                                    
     where I'm based,  at $3.40 a gallon to a  high of $7.00                                                                    
     a  gallon in  Galena.   Well, already  that inexpensive                                                                    
     $3.40 gas in  Fairbanks is up to $4.26  a gallon today.                                                                    
     So,  we've   already  seen   that  increase   and  it's                                                                    
     certainly going to be going  up proportionally in those                                                                    
     other areas.   So, adding  a $.50 fuel tax to that cost                                                                    
     is  really, again,  taking us  in the  wrong direction.                                                                    
     So, we  definitely appreciate your efforts  on this and                                                                    
     would be happy to help it move forward any way we can.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN reminded the committee that HJR 18 would be held                                                                 
over.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Transportation Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:38                                                                 
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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